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goodness the last time I was in San

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Francisco some years ago uh giving a

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paper of the American Academy of

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religion and it was about this time of

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day on the second or third day of the

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conference everyone's feeling a little

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drowsy maybe from lunch and uh an older

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Professor came to the podium and had a

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stack of notes like this and he put it

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down he had glasses and he was taking

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them on and off saying where to begin

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where where to begin and a lone voice

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cried out from the back of the room as

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close to the end as

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possible so I'll do my best

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today Pope St John Paul II visited a

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parish in Rome in November 1999 and

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there he had a brief but significant

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exchange with a child who was attending

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the event a young girl asked him Holy

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aliens now the saint did not respond no

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that is contrary to the Catholic faith

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he did not say we don't know or even if

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they exist then instead he replied to

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the girl simply always remember they are

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children of God as we

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are I embrace that sentiment

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wholeheartedly the whole Foundation as

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we know seeks to be a center for UAP

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research especially with regard to that

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subject's implications for the future of

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humity institutions and Endeavors and

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among the fields to be examined as

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religion I'm so grateful then to the

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Symposium organizers to have been

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invited here to say a few words about

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the implications of UAP for a religious

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tradition and institution that numbers

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an estimated 1.3 billion adherent

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adherence and I mean of course the

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Catholic Church surely such a large and

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ancient institution could have an

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enormous influence on how not only its

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own members but also so followers of

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other faiths might respond to the

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development of our understanding of UAP

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so today I'd like to offer for your

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consideration a perspective on UAP and

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non-human intelligence based on insights

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from Catholic history and Catholic

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theology first a few words about where

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I'm coming from my interest in UFOs

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became more than 60 years ago when I was

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an elementary school child I was reading

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of things I became an atheist at the age

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of 12 became a Christian again at 18

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finally after earning three degrees in

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Theology and religious studies at Yale

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and Emer universities I became Catholic

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30 years ago and that church has been my

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spiritual home ever since when I view

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the topic of UAP in N then not

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surprisingly I see it through the lens

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of my Catholic faith and in viewing this

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particular topic I found that that lens

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to be refreshing and consoling but also

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surprising and even you might say

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adventurous because of all the

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possibilities that it opens up I wrote

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this book two years ago entitled

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extraterrestrial intelligence and the

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Catholic faith are we alone in the

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universe with God and the angels that

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subtitle is imported the Catholic

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tradition has always affirmed the

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existence of at least one variety of nhi

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the Angels both the Fallen ones the good

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ones and the evil ones so in the book

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and in today's thoughts when I speak of

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nhi I'm going to refer specifically to

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non-human specifically non- Angelic

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intelligence because we take the Angels

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and Demons for granted their existence

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is is for us a given and I've written

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books about that as well I should also

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note that the focus of this

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book is on ETI because much of the

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public conversation when I was writing

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it uh was focused on ETI and in an

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appendix about UAP I noted speculations

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that they might represent something

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other than extraterrestrial creatures

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with some insights about that

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possibility as well from the Catholic

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tradition since the publication of the

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book of course as you all know the

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increasingly common use of the term nhi

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instead of eiti reflects a corresponding

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shift in the public

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conversation toward broader

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possibilities so if I should ever have

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the opportunity for a new edition of the

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book that shift would be reflected in

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that addition as well the thesis of the

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book is simple our argue that the

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Christian faith as traditionally held by

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the Catholic Church would not be

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undermined by the publicly confirmed

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Discovery or disclosure or encounter

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with extraterrestrial intelligence or I

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would add now other forms of non-human

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non- Angelic intelligence such new

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information would of course raise

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questions about how best to interpret

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certain certain biblical passages and

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church doctrines and how we might relate

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wisely to the nhi we would discover but

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I conclude that the new scientific

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knowledge of this sort could be

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accommodated with Integrity within the

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broad doctrinal and devotional framework

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of this ancient faith for this reason

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then I'm I'm confident that whatever the

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reality may turn out to be the Catholic

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church can embrace the truth and the

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Catholic faith itself will serve to

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illiminate and interpret what science or

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experience will reveal to us seems to me

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that for religious Believers to

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assimilate what they may learn from uh

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about UAP and nhi they need someone from

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within their own tradition to show how

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that new knowledge might fit into a

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traditional framework that's why I wrote

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the book as Peter mentioned I'm now a

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retired professor of religious studies

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in theology my specific field of

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theology is called historical theology

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that means my approach to theological

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issues includes a survey of the history

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of the theological conversation about

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the matter it's basically intellectual

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history in a church setting looking for

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insights from earlier cultures and

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thinkers and how the topic has developed

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through the centuries this approach is

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especially well fitted to Catholic

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theology because tradition which

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literally means that which has been

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handed down plays an immense role in

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Catholic self- understanding for this

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reason the book divides naturally into

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two parts the first part is an

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historical survey of the notion of

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extraterrestrial intelligence in

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Catholic and then more broadly Christian

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thought the second second is a

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theological analysis of the issues in

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light of that history and some of its

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implications for Christian belief now I

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had originally planned to stop there but

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my publisher and editor a couple years

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ago both insisted that my readers would

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want to know my thoughts as well about

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the more focused subject and related

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subject of UAP even though that was not

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the primary concern of the book so I

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wrote a 6,000 word appendix at the end

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that focuses on UAP and I'm glad I did

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even though that's the part of the book

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that is got me into the most trouble

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with some of my readers it's ironic I

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consider myself a rather traditional

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catholic and the primary intended

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audience for many of the books and

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articles I've written over the past 30

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years are also more traditional

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Catholics yet a few of my readers are

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now condemning this book as contrary to

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Catholic tradition well the irony is

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that I'm I'm actually drawing deeply

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from the tradition to make a place for

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such a discovery certain important

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aspects of the tradition that I'm trying

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to recover have been largely forgotten

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or eclipsed and they need to be

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recalled someone recently said to me

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topic has it become an obsession and I

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replied immediately no not an obsession

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it feels more like a mission a mission

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of Discovery to explore to encounter to

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share what I find to invite others to

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join me on the path to Discovery to

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boldly go where no man has ever gone

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before nah that was another man's

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mission in fact what I what I've learned

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as an historical Theologian and a

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theologian who Roots his analysis in

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Christian intellectual history is that

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I'm not in New Territory at all these

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matters have been debated and these

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possibilities have been raised for many

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centuries Now by some of the best and

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best known Minds in Christian history

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not just theologians and church leaders

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but also philosophers scientists

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figures political leaders Mystics and

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even Canon

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Saints now in offering a Catholic

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perspective I set out from a reality

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that is I think essential in Foundation

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to understanding a Catholic vision of

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the cosmos and its possibilities a

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reality that touches on every other

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aspect of that Vision that Vision may

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seem a little alien to some of you to

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use the

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word but and that's okay but if you will

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just walk with me for for a minute and I

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want to lay out kind of the foundation

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of what I see as a Catholic vision of

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the cosmos the most important

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key to all the rest it's this that a

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knowing God has created out of nothing

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all things that exist and sustains all

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exist the cosmos reflects to a certain

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extent the wisdom and power and and even

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beauty of The God Who crafted it as

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hamar usually does but he is not a part

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of the cosmos nor simply is it a part of

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him he is the Creator and it is the

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creation he's Transcendent over his

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creation and yet at the same time he is

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imminent as well utterly close to his

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creation close to every person every

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Galaxy this God Is Not An impersonal

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energy like the forest in Star Wars

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he is personal he is all loving he is in

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himself love a trinity of persons who

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have existed in a community of perfect

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love from before all time he has created

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human beings as creatures with one

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nature possessing two aspects a material

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body that is now subject to death and an

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immaterial spirit that is Immortal he

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has created these human beings in his

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own image as persons with a rational

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intellect and a free will who can know

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him and love him in return who can know

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and love others as

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well keep walking with me just another

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minute he knows everything about each

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one of us he even has as Jesus once said

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the hairs of our head counted in my case

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he ran out of hairs to count a long time

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ago but his desire for us is that we

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would choose to live with him in perfect

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Joy forever after we leave this world as

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we know it and enter into eternity with

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him now if that's the starting place for

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Catholics some of us in our vision of

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the Cosmos John Paul's brief answer to

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that little girl's question makes

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perfect

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sense are there any

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aliens always remember they are children

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of God as we

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are every form of life that exists

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throughout the Universe intelligent and

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otherwise every species that we will

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ever discover and encounter is not just

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a being or an entity it is a creature it

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is created by God sustained by God

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governed by God known and loved by God

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even so our present knowledge of God is

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limited and even flawed because our

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species has become Fallen broken and

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that lamentable condition has dimmed and

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distorted our sight we need healing we

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need restoration and

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elevation nevertheless this God loves

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everything that he has made even when it

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has fallen even when it is broken as we

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human beings are on this planet the

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Catholic writer GK Chester and once quip

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that the one Catholic Doctrine that's

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confirmed every day in the news

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headlines is the doctrine of original

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sin seems we can't get away from

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it and that seems to be sadly today as

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much the case as it ever has been but

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this great hope and consolation this God

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has loved him us so much that he's

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revealed himself to us he himself has

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entered his creation visited this tiny

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messy blue Speck in the cosmos by

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becoming one of us to save us from

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ourselves to heal us and recreate us and

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to conquer

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death that God man for Catholics is

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Jesus Christ and if we can embrace the

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truth about who we are and how

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desperately we need healing embrace it

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not only with our minds but with our

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hearts and our whole lives then the

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truth will truly set us free so for me

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that's the heart that's the foundation

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of the Catholic vision of the cosmos it

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tells us certain Essentials about who

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God is what the cosmos is who we are and

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what we can be but it also sets

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precedence and opens up possibilities

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for the kinds of non-human intelligence

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that we might encounter through our

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serious study of UAP my book surveys

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many of those

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possibilities now I should not that

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there are Catholics who would challenge

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my position uh most of whom simply deny

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altogether that nhi other than angels

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can exist they insist that the Catholic

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Church rejects such a possibility some

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of their objections uh Merit rather

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simple responses for example one common

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objection is that the Bible never

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mentions or explicitly references nhi

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other than angels and I answer of course

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that the de the Bible never

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references microbes or molecules or

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dinosaurs or duck bill platypi however

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you say that yeah we know that these

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things really exist so the scripture has

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not been given to us as an exist

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exhaustive catalog of everything that is

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now that's just one of the more simple

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responses to objections but others

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involve a rather complex hermeneutical

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and Theological analysis of the

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scripture and certain official doctrinal

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statements of the church this is

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obviously not the time or place to talk

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of those but if you would like to look

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further the details are in the book in

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addition to such arguments I I cite in

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the historical part the supporting

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teachings of various theologians and

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Saints who've been highly regarded in

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the Catholic tradition the existence of

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nhi is of course not proven by what they

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say but it does demonstrate to

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contemporary Catholics that multiple

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historical figures who were recognized

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as holy and wise and faithful to the

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Catholic tradition either thought that

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nhi is possible or even insisted that it

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does exist and we're talking about

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something Beyond Angels these figures

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stretch across multiple centuries and

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cultures just a few of them are St

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Augustine the great African Theologian

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of the ancient Church St Jerome known as

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the fourth Century father of biblical

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scholarship the 19th century German

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Mystic blessed an Catherine emrich who

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visions of eiti the 20th century Italian

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capin frier St peo of Petro Chino known

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and beloved by millions as Padre Pio and

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judging from his reply to that young

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girl St John Paul II as

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well we should note that the fascinating

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history of nhi in this conversation in

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Christian circles reveals that medieval

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cosmologists tended to take for granted

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much of the cosmology of

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Aristotle he was the ancient Greek of

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course pre-christian Phil philosopher

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and he taught that the Earth is the

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center of the cosmos and the sun and

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moon and stars move around it the

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planets as they call them earned that

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special name because the word means

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literally Wanderers and they were

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considered stars that somehow wandered

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from the path of the other fix stars

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that moved together across the sky so

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there was no room in this cosmology for

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Rocky balls other than the Earth itself

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which living beings could inhabit now

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assuming this pre-christian theology

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debates about eiti in particular in

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those early centuries up until this

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medieval times were quite limited eiti

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had no place to live except perhaps the

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moon but even Aristotle and Plato well

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as well had posited that the Stars

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themselves could be intelligent animate

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beings physical bodies moved by Souls so

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we could say that despite his cosmology

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in that sense even Aristotle allowed for

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a certain kind of ETI the great medieval

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Catholic Theologian and philosopher St

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Thomas aquinus

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adopted and adapted much of Aristotle's

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cosmology and he noted as well the idea

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of animated Stars so he too affirmed the

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possibility of a kind of non-human

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intelligence other than Angels then once

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the Arisa and Cosmos was found to be

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wanting and not really a

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part inherently of Catholic teaching and

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Catholic and other Christian theologians

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began to hammer out their various

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positions on ETI in particular that

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barrier was no longer there among them

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was Nichol of kusak a 15th century

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German Theologian philosopher and

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astronomer there were lots of Catholic

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astronomers and there still are the

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Vatican observatories most of them

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Jesuits he insisted that the Earth was

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not the center of the universe and this

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was some time before the Declarations of

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cicus in that regard he insisted that

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there are other planets like Earth and

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that celestial bodies could be inhabited

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he even speculated about the nature of

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their intelligent inhabitants Nicholas

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thus openly promoted ideas that in his

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time a whole generation ation before the

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capern Revolution were considered to be

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quite radical in their break from the

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prevailing Aristotelian philosophical

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tradition so how did the Catholic Church

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respond to such a man well Nicholas

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akusa was appointed as a cardinal a

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Papal legot a Papal adviser and a

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participant in The ecumenical council of

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Basil these appointments all suggest

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that within the Catholic church he was

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respected and embraced by authorities at

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the very highest level

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to summarize then what is the first

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implication of the Catholic Vision as I

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presented here simply this nhi can

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indeed exist and God is created every

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form of nhi that does exist he knows it

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he loves it he has a purpose for it then

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other implications arise from that one

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given that Foundation if God has indeed

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created other forms of nhi what are the

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possibilities for what we might call

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their spiritual status that is are they

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too made in God's image what is their

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knowledge of God and their response to

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him what kind of ultimate Destiny or

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destines plural does he offer them and

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if there are variety of forms of nhi

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those questions may have varying answers

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according to the species which leads

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immediately to another implication what

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is their moral status are they Fallen

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broken as we are the fact that they're

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all God's children doesn't guarantee

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that they will all be friendly some

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could be hostile or exploitative after

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all all human beings are God children

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too but just look around at how we're

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treating each other we're Fallen we're

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broken and they may be fallen too I

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should note here that some of my books

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Catholic critics feel certain that UAP

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across the board represents Fallen nhi

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specifically Fallen Angels or what we

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would call demons I do agree that

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certain UAP encounters demonstrate

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parallels to traditional accounts of

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diabolical activity so some aspects of

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the phenomena that we're observing May

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well be demonic I think for example of

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the Apparently malevolent hitchhiker

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phenomenon associated with Skinwalker

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Ranch maybe maybe it's the same thing

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but most of what we encounter in U

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studies I don't have to tell you doesn't

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fit that profile instead I think it's

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more likely as many observers think that

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we're dealing with a variety of nhi some

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of which may have no direct relationship

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to the others another possibility could

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a species of nonhuman non- Angelic

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intelligence be unfallen never having

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descended into the disorder order and

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darkness that our species knows all too

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well are some species one way and some

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the other could there be species that

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has a mixed moral status as the Angels

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do with some of them fallen and some of

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them unfallen if they are Fallen with

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God's activity in human history to offer

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salvation through Jesus Christ somehow

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have consequences or open up

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possibilities for other species and a

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kind of ripple effect or my God have an

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altogether different plan for saving

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other alien species if they need

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salvation my God even have taken on

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their nature as well as ours and become

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one of them in order to heal them as he

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has done for us might he do that even

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for an unfallen race simply in order to

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draw near to them in

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Friendship such possibilities have been

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dated uh debated by centuries among

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Christians the possibilities go on and

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on and starting with a simple

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acknowledgement of their existence as

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viewed from the perspective of the

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Catholic tradition and in light of the

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Precedence we can already see in the

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existence of the of humankind and the

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angels I survey many of these

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possibilities in my book beginning with

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Catholic and other Christian figures

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throughout history who've taken one

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position or another now in this light I

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think we can see how uh questions about

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how Catholics would interact with the

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aliens if we discovered them or

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encountered them uh can only be answered

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once we actually have the experience so

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I think for instance uh a question I

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often get is would you baptize an

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alien so uh my answer is um well you

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know uh as with most hypothetical

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questions so much depends on the

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specifics of the hypothesis so let's say

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for example uh we were living a a real

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life version of the movie Signs where

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you have aliens that are invading and

553
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are hostile and die upon contact with

554
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,640
water

555
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:32,640
in that case I'd say yes baptize them

556
00:22:42,029 --> 00:22:40,230
away so I do express my opinions there

557
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,039
about in the book which of these

558
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,600
possibilities seem more likely to me

559
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,840
than others so for example contrary to

560
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,960
some writers who think that the

561
00:22:52,029 --> 00:22:49,600
Brokenness of sin is inevitable in every

562
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,039
intelligent species I have the hope that

563
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,679
a species might actually exist that has

564
00:22:57,789 --> 00:22:55,600
never fallen as we have and what could

565
00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:57,799
we learn from them oh my goodness and

566
00:23:01,149 --> 00:22:59,400
I'm in Good Company in that regard the

567
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:01,159
celebrated 20th century Saint I just

568
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,080
mentioned

569
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,039
padrio uh the capin frier said

570
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,360
emphatically the Lord did not limit his

571
00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:09,520
glory to this small Earth on other

572
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,200
planets other beings exist who did not

573
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:15,520
sin and fall as we have now given the

574
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,400
padrio was famous for his god-given

575
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,000
ability to know things that are normally

576
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,760
unknowable for the rest of us we could

577
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,240
do a whole lecture on that we cannot so

578
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:27,360
easily dismiss his Claim about ETI even

579
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,640
though I think some possibilities for

580
00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:31,039
NHS are less probable than others I

581
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:33,000
still allow for them the very few

582
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,200
possibilities I would rule out

583
00:23:37,630 --> 00:23:36,159
altogether one would be the claim that

584
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:37,640
there are intelligent species that God

585
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,520
did not create that he does not sustain

586
00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:43,679
or know or love or govern now the faith

587
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,840
of the Catholic Church leaves

588
00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:47,520
considerable room for mystery and for

589
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,640
Discovery but its fundamental framework

590
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:52,159
is not vague it has a certain distinct

591
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:53,640
sharp Vivid

592
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:56,880
firm Contour within which the mystery

593
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,400
unfolds some may think that such

594
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,120
solidity makes the Catholic faith

595
00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:03,039
fragile something that would shatter

596
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,720
like a grass vessel glass vessel if it

597
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:08,240
were forced to expand to accommodate new

598
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,919
discovered realities such as NH hii but

599
00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:13,120
as I've suggested Henry history seems to

600
00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:15,320
prove otherwise the Catholic faith

601
00:24:19,950 --> 00:24:17,320
showed itself capable of accommodating

602
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,960
for example the cernic revolution as we

603
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:21,279
said when it realized that certain

604
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,400
common but flawed assumptions about

605
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,880
cosmology had actually been borrowed

606
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,159
from the pre-christian philosopher

607
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,559
Aristotle they weren't in essential part

608
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,799
of the Catholic faith even so that truth

609
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,279
had to be carefully discovered discerned

610
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,480
and uncovered a process that required a

611
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,520
recovery of elements of the Christian

612
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,720
tradition that had been forgotten or

613
00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:42,720
obscured and I believe that we have a

614
00:24:46,510 --> 00:24:45,080
similar situation today you see the

615
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,520
firmness of the Catholic faith doesn't

616
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,159
make it a fragile vessel it's more like

617
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:51,120
a tree with firm Contours that give it a

618
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:53,880
solid and distinctive shape yet also

619
00:24:57,789 --> 00:24:56,080
with considerable room for growth it's

620
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,799
like a Mighty Oak tree that began as a

621
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,159
an acorn and has grown over the

622
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,679
centuries by interacting with the

623
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,440
surrounding landscape to deepen its

624
00:25:08,389 --> 00:25:06,000
roots to spread out its branches a

625
00:25:11,549 --> 00:25:08,399
process that continues today the reality

626
00:25:13,549 --> 00:25:11,559
of this tree's DNA as you might call it

627
00:25:15,870 --> 00:25:13,559
is present with it from the beginning

628
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,880
and it still manifests itself in new

629
00:25:21,070 --> 00:25:18,159
ways today that are newly grown yet

630
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,080
keeping with its original unchanging gen

631
00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:23,520
genetic composition even if the massive

632
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:25,159
Oak looks quite different from the tiny

633
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,240
Acorn it's the same organism the

634
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:29,919
phenotype more completely expressing the

635
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,960
genotype my study of this matter has

636
00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:33,679
been long and labored and I need to

637
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,480
finish soon but I'm now convinced that

638
00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:36,880
this great tree of the Catholic and The

639
00:25:42,430 --> 00:25:40,120
Wider Christian faith has within its DNA

640
00:25:45,389 --> 00:25:42,440
the potential to draw from a compelling

641
00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:45,399
confirmation of non-human intelligence a

642
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,039
new Vitality growing new branches and

643
00:25:52,029 --> 00:25:49,919
new roots that expand and extend its

644
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,039
distinctive shape while remaining

645
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,080
essentially the same organization it's

646
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,559
always been but to do so Catholics must

647
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,200
recover these certain eleps ele elements

648
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,279
at the same time I think we've had to to

649
00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:03,919
a degree a failure of imagination what

650
00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:05,720
we need is an imagination that is more

651
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,200
worthy of delving into the complexity

652
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,240
and the Grandeur the riches and the

653
00:26:15,149 --> 00:26:12,640
surprises of this awesome reality that

654
00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:15,159
we inhabit given to us by a loving God

655
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,720
to be our transitory Dwelling Place this

656
00:26:21,870 --> 00:26:19,520
glorious Cosmos stretching out from

657
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,880
quanta to galaxies and everything in

658
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:23,679
between and everything

659
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,279
Beyond and in addition just to get past

660
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:28,880
the issue of whichever NH as possible

661
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,600
more Catholics and other Christians need

662
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,200
to do a deep dive into the journalistic

663
00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:35,360
and historical and scientific research

664
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:37,880
into UAP as we've been looking at today

665
00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:39,480
that's been achieved over the years is

666
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,720
rapidly expanding we need to discern

667
00:26:46,389 --> 00:26:44,559
carefully of course but so many critics

668
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,399
simply suffer from a lack of awareness

669
00:26:51,070 --> 00:26:48,600
of the compelling evidence that does

670
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:51,080
exist above all I'll end with this I

671
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:52,320
believe it's time for Catholics and

672
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:54,600
other Christians to turn again to the

673
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,720
god of the Book of Job in the Bible who

674
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,080
Thunders out of the Whirlwind and

675
00:27:06,389 --> 00:27:02,520
replied to job's presumptuous

676
00:27:10,110 --> 00:27:06,399
musings where were you he

677
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,120
asked when I laid the foundation of the

678
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,360
Earth tell me if you have understanding

679
00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:15,840
can you bind the chain of the ples or

680
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,200
loose the cords of Orion do you know the

681
00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:19,600
ordinances of the

682
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,000
heavens we must admit we don't we can't

683
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,440
we know oh so little of what God has

684
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:27,720
done and appointed for the universe the

685
00:27:31,389 --> 00:27:29,159
creator of the cosmos holds more

686
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,399
mysteries in his hands than we can ever

687
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,960
fathom and at the present we are merely

688
00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:35,840
as job job says in the same account

689
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,240
we're just touching he says the

690
00:27:42,269 --> 00:27:40,720
outskirts of God's ways in short we we

691
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,279
need to recover our sense of wonder

692
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,000
which I like to Define as humility in

693
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,840
the face of mystery humility in the face

694
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,000
of mystery finally scientists have done

695
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,840
so much to help Christians deepen and

696
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,320
broaden and enrich our vision of the con

697
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,200
Cosmos we're grateful and we feel

698
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,679
obliged IG to return the favor the

699
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,559
strictly materialist vision of reality

700
00:28:05,389 --> 00:28:03,360
that has been tried and found

701
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,399
wanting because there are Realms of

702
00:28:09,549 --> 00:28:07,320
reality that cannot be understood

703
00:28:12,029 --> 00:28:09,559
exclusively in terms of matter and

704
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,039
energy and even the story the history so

705
00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:13,600
to speak of the matter and energy that

706
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,880
we do understand has itself spiritual

707
00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:18,080
Dimensions that must be accounted for if

708
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,880
we're to discover not just the what and

709
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:23,120
when and where and how of the cosmos but

710
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,039
the all important why I've got to end

711
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,679
I'll leave you one Whimsical image to

712
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:29,360
ponder in the biblical Book of

713
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,279
Revelation St John envisions he says

714
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,760
every creature in heaven and on Earth

715
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,480
praising God in the Exquisite Joy of his

716
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,880
eternal presence we know that humans and

717
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:42,960
angels are there might some ETI and

718
00:28:47,549 --> 00:28:45,960
other inhi be included in that Vision

719
00:28:50,430 --> 00:28:47,559
well Jesus once said in my father's

720
00:28:52,029 --> 00:28:50,440
house are many rooms speaking of Heaven

721
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,039
perhaps one day we might just enter the

722
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,640
Gates of Heaven and find to our surprise

723
00:28:58,830 --> 00:28:56,960
and Delight that in some of those many

724
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:58,840
rooms

725
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,000
there are those who present who might

726
00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:04,240
look something like the crowd of

727
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,760
creatures in the tatooing Cantina in

728
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:07,919
Star

729
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:11,120
Wars what a glorious occasion for